Do you really believe this?
Sufics(Super Junior fanfics) are overall good.Some of them are actually hilarious.And I don’t mind reading about Super Junior couples in fanfics because they’re all straight in real life anyway.But often,sufics contain some…um…sexual contents.Most sufic readers are around 12~17 in age.Do you really need to go into all kinds of details specifically when describing…um…gay sex?Do you really need to put those kinds of contents in your fanfic anyway?
There was this one very popular Super Junior KangTeuk fanfic(you guys all know what I’m talking about).Now I do not wish to bash on the author because her work was pretty great.She is a talented writer.But the fanfic was a little bit…too much for me.I don’t know if it’s because I was born and raised in America instead of Korea,but it’s still kind of awkward.The KangTeuk fanfic starts with the scene where all Super Junior members holding a drinking bout in their dorm.And there,Bear Kangin,who was apparently drunk,sodomizes Leeteuk by force.Bear keeps on doing that,one time in front of Siwon(imagine Siwon’s face!),who was very close to Leeteuk.And Siwon,who in real life,had dated GIRLS including Stella Kim,Bae Seul-Gi,and this one non-celebrity girl,and Leeteuk,who has had a lot of girlfriends,have…yeah…(I know) too.Don’t you think this fanfic is a little bit too much for 13-year-old fanfic readers?
Well,of course,that fanfic was a little bit too hardcore,but most sufics contain at least one gay sexual scene.And I don’t think 12-year-olds should be reading those.It’s not good for them,and it influences their views on each Super Junior members.Seriously,they aren’t sex-crazed catamites.I’ve seen this cute SimCin pic on a Korean blog.Heechul was hugging Siwon from behind,and Siwon had this one red spot on his neck(I believe it was an allergy or something),and this one young ELF who didn’t even know how to spell Korean words correctly commented on it,by saying “I hope that red thing is a mosquito bite,not a lovebite.”Ew!Kids shouldn’t be saying those types of things,should they?I mean,unless they are super perverted.But some Elves(not all) often do seem to go perverted on Super Junior couples.Whenever they see pics of Kangin hugging Leeteuk,they go “Ooh,Kangin’s feeling sorry to Leeteuk because he went too far last night” and on Eunhae pics,they comment “Just do it tonight,Eunhyuk!” Oh my gosh.How old are they?Like 13 or 14?
I believe all these yaoi things going on is caused by fanfics.No wonder why Korean teen idols don’t like reading their fanfics.Park Jungmin from SS501 once said ,”I’ve downloaded a fanfic and started reading it,but I stopped at the first section.I couldn’t continue.”Shinhwa’s Lee Minwoo commented on Shinhwa fanfics(although most Shinhwa fanfics contain significantly less sexual materials than other ones)by saying “Those are too awkward to read.”Amen.
We need less sexual fanfics.Fanfics that the teen idols themselves and we Asians who grew up in the Western societies can read without being grossed out.Fanfics that 13-year-olds can read without getting free lessons on gay sex.
We need better fanfics.
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Well, I’ve read lots of SuJu’s fanfics. Most of them are (I don’t really know the terms used in fanfics writing) lemon/smut.. It bothered me too at first, I even traumatized for a while (I’m a big fan of Kang In, I just couldn’t imagine him being on top of Lee Teuk) then I started to realised, those imaginary writings are NOT reflecting who they really are.. Uhuh, I totally believe they are not gay..
About the authors who wrote the fanfics.. All I can say is.. YOU GOT A LOT OF THINGS IN YOUR MIND..
And for the readers… THOSE ARE JUST FANFICS.. DON’T BELIEVE THEM 100%..
Althugh I must say they write good stories though.. I feel like I’m reading some sort of Korean drama script.. For adults..
Comment by non_casseopian — August 31, 2008 @ 5:38 pm
@non_casseopian: Yup.I totally agree with you.And I mean,come on.Most Super Junior members have pretty girlfriends,and on top of that Heechul had dated some of the sexiest divas in Korea.Why would they…yeah…with guys when there are plenty of pretty girls around them?I mean the fanfic authors…Do they really want those 13-year-olds to learn about all that stuff?I mean,those fanfics are like teen-idol-fanfic-versions of adult fictions.Isn’t this illegal anyway?
And in Korean fanfic terms…You say that “the water level is high”.It’s a slang term.=)
Thanks for your comment!
Comment by sjff — September 2, 2008 @ 9:10 pm
i totally agree with you… I write Super Junior fics myself on soompi, but they are mainly comedy with stuff like “Ooh, she’s cute…” I absolutely hate it when people write lemons aboutthose innocent cute guys, I mean, that is crazy, writers should take into consideration about how the Super Jnuior members would feel if they ever came across a fanfic like that… I always think like that before posting anything, for any person.
I am not bashing anyone’s writing coz man people have guts to write that stuff and i admire people for that, but seriously, do you want to corrupt the minds of yourger people and lead them to believe suju is in fact gay???
God this makes me feel worse than the Hankyung anti fan article…
P.S- OMG Siwon has had a girlfriend? There you go, i leanrt something new today:) lol
thanks for writing this, it should open up people’s eyes about posting fics of that nature… lol
Comment by Michelle K — October 1, 2008 @ 4:19 am
@Michelle K:I know,right?They aren’t really gays,in any way.And younger people shouldn’t read those.
Comment by sjff — October 1, 2008 @ 3:37 pm
While I haven’t read any SuJu fics before, I do know that most lemon-y fics have NC 17+ warnings on them. Whether or not younger teens decide to disregard the warnings and continue to read such fanfics is really out of the control of the authors. If the fanfics were intended for mature audiences, I don’t see why including explicit details would be such an issue. Moreover, fanfiction is called fanfiction for a reason. Obviously, this stuff is completely made up and fuelled by the fantasies of fans. If this is what the majority of fans are fantasizing about, then let it be. You could just ignore it.
Also, in response to non_casseopian who asked why SuJu members would be in relatioships “with guys when there are plenty of pretty girls around them” – If someone were truly gay, it wouldn’t matter how many pretty girls are around them. Gay individuals aren’t gay simply because they can’t get a girl. They’re gay because they’re attracted to the same-sex. Moreover, I don’t understand why so many people ignore the fact that gay and straight aren’t the only two sexual preferences that exist. There’s others like bisexuality, asexuality, pansexuality and etc.
And I’m not trying to question the sexuality of SuJu members, but I’d also like to point out that famous gay people who used to be closeted had girlfriends too.
Comment by Soup — October 16, 2008 @ 5:11 am
*sorry, I meant to refer to sjff… and not non_casseopian
Comment by Soup — October 16, 2008 @ 5:13 am
@soup:Sorry,but in fact I’m a very liberal person and I support gay marriage.Who cares about other people’s sexual orientations.I was just using that as an example.I’ve been to Korea and lived there for a couple of years.Many people there are some of the most homophobic people I’ve ever met.Remember this Korean model whose fans drove him into commiting suicide when he confessed that he was gay?Many of them are very homophobic,just like that.So I assumed that the SJ members were like them too.I know,stereotypical,but sometimes you just have to make a generalization.I didn’t get to meet all Korean people in the world!And according to my “sasaeng fan” cousin,all of them seem pretty much straight.Never caught them going on a date with a guy before(btw,I’m not a sasaeng fan;she is!).If you have time,do some research and you’ll find out that Leeteuk had 7 girlfriends last year.Those “couple acts” are merely a fan service.And I know that there are gays who have had girlfriends-like that American celebrity who just confessed that he was a gay(ugh what was his name?),but he had a child.Most “homosexuals” aren’t fully homosexuals.Only a small minority of people are “fully” heterosexual or homosexual,and I admit that although I’m “straight”,I’m not 100% heterosexual.I have a boyfriend and I’m not attracted to girls.But if I were 100% heterosexual then I wouldn’t have any girl friends.It’s not like that I’m some bratty child who know nothing about homosexuality.I’m a straight person myself,but I’m not against gay relationships-I actually support gay marriage,go Cali!.So it sort of offended me when you made that statement about me.You don’t even know my name.I didn’t say that they are gays because they can’t get a girl.Homosexual people AREN’T losers!LOL.
And I was referring to Korean fanfics,not American ones.I used to read some Korean fanfics when I was living in Korea,and while some were really cute,the others were simply nasty(I didn’t read those anyway.I just deleted them when I found a porny scene in them.)Some Korean girls in my class were actually going all hyped up after reading some inappropriate fanfics like those.Guess how old were they back then.They weren’t even 15.In Korea you just go and get a fanfic on the web.No age restrictions.The talent agencies and the websites can’t prevent the fangirls from uploading fanfics onto their blogs.Go onto Naver and search for “Cleopatra the Super Junior fanfic download.”No age restrictions or anything like that.Even a 5-year-old could easily save the fanfic into their computer in just a few clicks.If you don’t believe me,then try it.
And I do not mind if people just wrote those kinds of fanfics.The problem is that SJ fans who are relatively young in age read them and think that they are real.I think I made that clear on the post.
Comment by sjff — October 18, 2008 @ 12:47 pm
Just to make a quick comment on this which I stumbled upon.
“I admit that although I’m “straight” ,I’m not 100% heterosexual .I have a boyfriend and I’m not attracted to girls. But if I were 100% heterosexual then I wouldn’t have any girl friends.”
not to be mean in saying that but being heterosexual has to do with the sexual orientation not who you associate with (as in who your friends are) unless you have sexual feelings for those girl friends then it is a statement that should be totally disregarded because it’s putting a totally different meaning onto the word.
Ok and onto another comment made earlier as long as there is a rating onto it then it is no fault of the authors if a child reads it, no one can really monitor and totally stop a child from reading it I mean with today’s technology where phones can go on the internet there are internet cafes and most people have computers at home and at school it’s not like they can stop all of them from being seen even firewalls and other content blocking programs can be gotten past.
Plus kids read, watch, do things much earlier and earlier these days whether we want to stop them to or not just short of locking them up we can’t prevent everything they can and can’t do, not to mention the fact that if one kid learns something usually they will communicate with other kids about it
And onto the comment about them thinking that their content is real well isn’t it just common sense as to them not being real? I mean fan (simple enough) fic (fiction shortened down) and I for one was explained what those words meant like as soon as I got into school and they aren’t that hard to look up.
Then again common sense and logic do seem to be lacking now days >.>
Comment by Etheria — October 23, 2008 @ 4:54 am
@sjff:
“So it sort of offended me when you made that statement about me.You don’t even know my name.”
It is sad to hear that you were hurt by my comment. However, I was in no way attempting to offend you as I was merely pointing out a flaw in your statement. It was not intended to be an attack on you, personally. Moreover, I fail to see why knowing your name would make any difference. We could be best friends and I’d still express the same opinions.
On the other hand, I feel rather offended by the fact that you did not fully understand my post. I specifically stated that I was NOT “questioning the sexuality of SuJu members,” as I was only pointing out that closeted men are known to have had girlfriends prior to coming out. Moreover, you must understand that being closeted means that the individual is not open about their homosexuality, often being quite secretive about their relationships with the same sex, if not avoiding homosexual relationships altogether. This is why people would have “Never caught them going on a date with a guy before” if any of them WERE gay. Again, I was not trying to question their sexuality, but simply pointing out the flaws in your arguments.
Furthermore, I have heard of the Korean model who committed suicide after struggling to accept the public’s homophobia. But living in a homophobic community does not decrease the number of gays within a society. LGBT people exist in all countries.
“Many of them are very homophobic,just like that.So I assumed that the SJ members were like them too.”
Yes, it is bad to generalize and I do understand that it is inevitable sometimes, but I am rather sure that SuJu members are generally not homophobic. Like DongHae said in the 2nd episode of their mini-drama in response to whether men could love each other, “Why not, it’s between human beings.” Although, I don’t see why you’ve brought up the topic since being homophobic has nothing to do one’s sexuality (especially not since some homophobic people in the past have turned out to be homosexual themselves).
“If you have time,do some research and you’ll find out that Leeteuk had 7 girlfriends last year.”
Might I ask why I would need to research this if you have already established the fact that “Leeteuk has had lots of girlfriends” in your initial blog post? And what difference does such knowledge make when I have already stated that I am NOT TRYING TO QUESTION THE SEXUALITY OF THE MEMBERS OF SUJU?
“Those “couple acts” are merely a fan service.”
Yes, I know what fan service is. Please do not make the assumption that I think they’re gay because of their fan service. I hardly care about their sexuality.
“like that American celebrity who just confessed that he was a gay(ugh what was his name?),but he had a child”
I think you’re talking about Clay Aiken. His child was conceived via in vitro fertilization with his best friend. He did not engage in heterosexual sex, if that was what you were implying. I apologize in advance if you were attempting to point something else out. If so, please specify what your point was.
“I’m a straight person myself,but I’m not against gay relationships-I actually support gay marriage,go Cali!.”
It’s great that you are against proposition 8. Good for you.
“Most “homosexuals” aren’t fully homosexuals.Only a small minority of people are “fully” heterosexual or homosexual,and I admit that although I’m “straight”,I’m not 100% heterosexual.”
Yes, this is true. I have studied the Kinsey Scale before. And like I said, heterosexuality and homosexuality are not the only two sexual preferences that exist.
“I have a boyfriend and I’m not attracted to girls.But if I were 100% heterosexual then I wouldn’t have any girl friends.”
I am afraid you have been misinformed in this area. Being 100% heterosexual does not mean that you wouldn’t be able to be friends with members of the same sex. Being 100% heterosexual means that you feel no attraction to members of the same sex whatsoever.
“I didn’t say that they are gays because they can’t get a girl.Homosexual people AREN’T losers!LOL.”
Perhaps your comment came across to me in the wrong way, but it certainly seemed like you were implying it.
“And I do not mind if people just wrote those kinds of fanfics.The problem is that SJ fans who are relatively young in age read them and think that they are real.I think I made that clear on the post.”
That’s good. Except I think you shouldn’t underestimate the common sense and logic of these “relatively young” SuJu fans. I am pretty sure any child over the age of ten understands the meaning of the word “FICTION”.
Besides, I thought I made it clear that whether or not such young children read fanfics that were intended for mature audiences is out of the control of the authors themselves. This is of course, regardless of the language the fan fiction is written in.
“No age restrictions or anything like that.Even a 5-year-old could easily save the fanfic into their computer in just a few clicks.If you don’t believe me,then try it.”
Okay, fair enough. Korean fanfic authors ought to add some sort of warning beforehand. However, if we were to find someone to blame for the “corruption” of the youth, I’d blame the parents for not monitoring their children properly. It should also be noted that such 5-year-olds could just as easily access porn, even if there WERE an age restriction. In the end, it’s the parents’ responsibility to ensure their children don’t access such explicit websites.
Phew, this post is epically long. xD
Comment by Soup — October 23, 2008 @ 6:41 am
@Soup:Haha.Your post is darn long!I still don’t get why you’re keep on trying to point out the flaws in my reply.Noone’s perfect.I’m still young and come on,I’m not Dr.Freud.Geez,isn’t this an old issue?Shouldn’t we,like,get over with it now?
And I’m not dumb.I understood that you were NOT trying to question the sexual orientations of the SJ members.Hey I can read English.I think you’re the one who misunderstood me about the “girl friend” issue.That was how I was taught(yes this would also answer Etheria’s question.)Besides,we’re not talking about homosexuality here.We’re talking about fanfics.
@ Everyone who’s making a huge deal out of my comments+opinions:I just wrote about my opinions and feelings toward those fanfics in this post.Why are ya’ll making such a big deal out of it?If I don’t know that much about homosexuality,then whatever.Who cares?It’s not your business.Leave me alone and go enlighten someone else who’s more interested in this topic and smarter than I.
I’m thinking about deleting this post.I’m really getting tired of this whole homosexuality debate going on.I’m just not interested in this topic.If you’re a gay liberationist,then good!(I’m not saying that you are though.)I was just writing about my opinions!Yes,I may know less about this issue than ya’ll do,but that doesn’t mean that you have to come over to my blog and be picky about every little bit of my opinions and comments.Now can we please move on?Life is too short!
Comment by sjff — October 23, 2008 @ 7:00 pm
*sigh* It wasn’t even that much of a debate. Only two people opposed your view.
I just randomly stumbled upon this blog and felt like expressing my opinions as people may be otherwise misinformed. I wasn’t pointing out flaws in your opinions, I was picking out your factual errors.
In any case, delete this if you want. It’s your blog, anyway. I’m just some annoying and immature teenage brat who’s bored. :3 Tee-hee!
Comment by Soup — October 23, 2008 @ 9:09 pm
@Soup:well,I wasn’t really trying to make you feel bad you know.Well,since I guess this debate crap(I’m going to call this debate anyway) is officially over,I’m just going to leave this post as it is.
Comment by sjff — October 25, 2008 @ 11:59 am
This is darn late, but… lol… this make shock you, but Kangin and Eeteuk actually read fanfic about them.
That kinda says a lot about those two.
Comment by daxx — November 6, 2008 @ 10:53 pm
@daxx:wow haha=]Yeah,I heard that.And guess what fanfic that was?
“Killing Crazy”!That’s like the nastiest fanfic I’ve ever read,really.
Comment by sjff — November 8, 2008 @ 8:13 am
Really I guess you need to read Jaeho fanfics lol
Comment by Angel — December 8, 2008 @ 7:46 pm
@Angel: Jaeho? Since when did Cassis start considering him as the “gong” member? rofls, just kidding. And hey, I’ve read tons of Korean teen idol fanfics already, so don’t tell me what to read. But I agree, lots of DBSK(especially Yunjae) fanfics are nasty, especially “Bisayeon” and “Secret Chamber”.
Comment by sjff — December 9, 2008 @ 5:35 pm
I knew from the veeeeeeeery beggining that all those fanfiction are not true after all its called fanFICTION’S it’s a fiction its not true and um none of the bamnds in korea are gay i mean the guys well most of them i dont know about ALL the bands only suju epik high ss501 dbsk and all them but i did see about 2 videos of heechul kissing a guy on the lips and one was heechul kissing kyuhyun on the lips and i know they are not gay there company told them to do that. and i addmit it was extremly HOT sorry im 14
Comment by sujulover24 — January 23, 2009 @ 12:02 pm
@sujulover24: I do want to believe that they’re not gay, but so what if they are…:-)Heechul was just playing around, he’s weird like that.
HOT heehee. That’s completely normal. Suju members are hot, and when you see two hot guys kissing…aw I won’t go into any more details sry=)
Comment by sjff — January 24, 2009 @ 1:57 pm
oh tbh, while i do like reading fanfics [gay or straight, so long as it's cute and riveting, i read], i just stop reading when i come across the ‘more sexually-oriented’ parts. i just can’t. can’t stomach it. i like the pairings, jaeho, yoonsu and all the others but i can’t really imagine them doing stuff like this in real life.
but what i’m happy to learn most in this post is your comment that heechul used to date some of korea’s sexiest divas. while i’m a fan of heechul, i got bothered with some of his more fanservice acts and thought ‘aha! i think there’s something else’. glad to know it’s not really the case.
Comment by albeitalways — April 9, 2009 @ 1:38 am
@albeitalways: Yeah, some people aren’t just used to those kind of stuffs! I don’t know where those fanfic writers get the gay s_x *cough*information*cough* from. Obviously they are girls, so how’d they know how homosexual males do each other*cough*. Gay porns? Uh…:0
Hmm..What if Heechul’s bi? Just kidding. Korean guys are just more touchy with each other=)
Comment by sjff — April 11, 2009 @ 12:12 pm
I agree so much with the smut writings and stuff…
It makes me feel kind of awkward reading them so i avoid them. Usually they will put NC-17 warning on a certain chapter so i avoid it.
I’m sure it’s awkward for the singers/actors themselves to read about this, + it’s a guyxguy smut. I don’t think girlxguy will be any help either.
I write guyxguy fanfics as well but i only go as far as using them to kiss.
Anyways, Heechul’s kissed a few guys before for fan service so i guess it’s not too much in my fanfics.
Most Super Junior or DBSK fanfics i read include a lot of smut.
Especially the one’s that every chapter has smut in it, it kinda makes me very awkward.
Fanfic writers should just concentrate on storylines rather than smut for entertaining.
Getting feedbacks like “that was hot” and stuff after a smut chapter aren’t very good either.
And i don’t believe i have seen Heechul kissing Kyuhyun before. Only Siwon and Sungmin [who hated it] and a member from Trax.
Comment by h4CkSigN — April 22, 2009 @ 2:45 am
@h4CkSigN: It’s always awkward for me too. I mean I know some gay couples and I know that they do that stuff*cough* but it’s weird READING about them. I already learned about all that in those freaky health classes I took in 9th grade, thank you. And seriously, can people write good stories, not SUPERMASSIVE HOT stories where all the characters are doing is to make out/have sex with each other:/
Heechul would’ve made a really good emo if he was American/British(jk, no offense to y’all emo guys out there!)! Well I have seen him kissing Kyu but I’m not sure when. I’m kinda concentrating more on punk rock than Kpop thesedays:P Sungmin’s a straigt-up heterosexual; he just looks pretty. Notice how he made all that faces when Kyu/HC tried kissing him? I also heard that he has a girlfriend so HA sucks for her. HAHA I feel bad for him;P
Comment by sjff — April 24, 2009 @ 11:20 pm
As valid as your point is and I do agree with how there should be NC-17 warnings at the very least, you have to realize that the teens themselves are controlling what they read. Its their own choice whether they want to read those particular parts or not. If its awkward or they don’t want to read it, then they should be skipping the parts. Even if there are NC-17 warnings on fanfiction, teens that want to read it WILL click on the link and read it. The author has no control over who reads their fanfiction so I feel that saying that the authors shouldn’t write graphical scenes is kind of unfair as it is the readers that chose to read it in the first place. No one was forcing them or pressuring them in any way.
Comment by Moonsong — April 30, 2009 @ 8:13 pm
@Moonsong: What’s the difference between perverted fanfics and pornography? So I guess teens should have unlimited accesses to pornographic materials because, hey it’s their choice right? Nobody’s forcing them to watch porns! I explained about the affects those awkward fanfics have on teens. It seems like people don’t even read half the stuffs I wrote but just tiny bits of it so that they can criticize me. Do you honestly think teens can resist the urge to read sexual materials? If teens can fight their sexual urge with no problem, then how come there’s so many cases of teen pregnancies out there? Why don’t we just prevent it? It’s better to be safe than sorry.
Comment by sjff — May 2, 2009 @ 4:31 pm
@sjff
haha.. i didn’t learn that in health classes (certainly not!) and things would’ve been too awkward. In 9th grade i was just 13!! i prefer storyline over all those… mm.. smut.. i see comments like “oh i wish you added some smut in it! that would be hot!” i think the story’s perfect fine!! those which has “i don’t write smut so i’ll leave it to your imagination”, i just throw away my imagination then…
Sungmin made a comment on Intimate Note that he disagreed to do that but in the end did it. He didn’t like it though haha. In the end he said Heechul made a comment to him saying “you are the best!” haha… but Heechul’s full of fan service love haha.. i don’t think Sungmin has a girlfriend now but i heard he had 3 before. Quite popular when he was in school. Well, of course, with that type of face haha!
Comment by h4CkSigN — May 4, 2009 @ 7:03 am
@sjff:
I’d like to start by saying that I’m not trying to criticize you. I was just stating my own opinion.
Differences between perverted fanfiction and pornography? Pornography is graphic/visual. While this doesn’t seem like THAT big of a difference, it actually is. It the difference that limits the access teens have to pornography compared to the unlimited access teens have to perverted fanfiction. Its also like the difference of why teens can read the f-word and swears in school books, yet cannot say them aloud. There isn’t MUCH difference, but the difference is the “line” that separates the two.
I’ve read the whole article, but I still felt that way. Yes, teens use inappropriate language and some of them even feel awkward. Like I said, its their choice to read it if its too awkward for them. For those that choose to read it, even if we tried to limit them they would probably find a way to either write or find ones they have access to (assuming they really wanted to read it). Also, no matter what, teens will always use inappropriate language freely as it is their right and some of them think that its being “mature” or “cool”.
Whats wrong with teens sexual urges really? Its completely natural and part of life. Their bodies undergo changes and they just have urges.
I’m confused as to what teen pregnancies have to do with this. How does gay sex fanfiction somehow have to tie in with teen pregnancies? Not once in your article did you mention that the fanfiction was the source of why teens want to have sex and get pregnant.
I would like to repeat this one more time: I seriously do not mean to criticize you. I just have a very blunt way of putting things. I’m really sorry if I’ve offended you
Comment by Moonsong — May 5, 2009 @ 2:46 pm
@h4CkSigN: Hmm…Really? And I thought my school was conservative! We *cough* even learned about jacking off and stuffs *cough* it was pretty gross..eheheh anyways. Well my cousin’s like a Suju sasaeng fan and she told me that she saw Sungmin(she kinda stalks the members) holding hands with this girl but I don’t know. Maybe she’s just a friend. :P
Comment by sjff — May 5, 2009 @ 6:18 pm
@Moonsong: I mean, seriously, not to offend you or anything but is it you who’s not getting what I mean or I not making things clear? Pssh, I never said that there was anything wrong with having sexual desires, I’m not some 12-year-old who thinks guys don’t jack off and get freaked out at the s-word.
But really, if all sexual desires are considered okay and natural, then what’s wrong with zoophilia? Why do people criticize it? Or pedophilia?
I still don’t see the difference between porns and fanfics. Yeah, it’s visual, but so what? Most anyone with IQs of 80 or higher can form pictures in their minds. I’m not saying that there’s anything wrong with thinking of perverted things, but I’m just saying this to explain why I still don’t get the difference between fanfics and porns. Yeah, porns may feature some slutty girl with 44E-sized boobs but sometimes words are more effective at describing things. Fanfics seem like they’re becoming alternatives to girls who has parent protection on their computer anyways. Check out some fanfics like “Gasiyeon” and tell me if you can think of any non-asexual girl who wouldn’t masturbate after reading that.
And my opinions don’t even have that much impact on fanfic writers/readers anyway. So why take things so seriously?
Comment by sjff — May 5, 2009 @ 6:31 pm
@sjff
wow.. that is.. some lesson you have there..
i bet if we had them in our school, the boys will be laughing like hell and stuff >_> playful boys.. haha… maybe that’s a girl, or maybe that’s Heechul XDD hahaha!! plus.. he held a lot of girl’s hands before… remember that magic show on Star King? lol… he even ran his hand through her thighs!!! TT!
Comment by h4CkSigN — May 14, 2009 @ 12:41 am
@h4CkSigN: Hahaha! Well thanks to our religious evangelican ex-president Bush*eye rollsx10* our school had to promote abstinence, and since the teachers thought there would be gay students, they decided to describe gay sex and how people get AIDS from gay sex, so that the gay kids would get grossed out and not have sex until “marriage”(I was like wtf? I thought gay marriage was declared unconstitutional in our state!)It was pretty funny though. All the girls were really, really, really grossed out and guys were making jokes about it..10 parents called our school board’s PE/health department the next day!!HAHA good times:)
Yeah I was like, “Dude control your hormones!!!”X] Heechul’s just weird like that! He’d act like he’s genuinely interested in Sungmin as a romantic interest one time then he’d brag about his hot ex-girlfriends the next..Just so unpredictable:P
Comment by sjff — May 16, 2009 @ 10:46 am
To leave my comment ^_^
I’ve read only a few fanfics with gay sex stuff, but at least 4 of 5 have been way too much for me. And I’m 18 and I was raised with openly discussions about sex. In my country gay marriage is possible since some years.
We can’t control teens to read this kind of fanfictions and sadly they’re seriously searching for this stuff. It seems forbidden, nasty and it makes curious to break rules so easily. I knew f-words at the age of 13 (not that I’m proud about it) and as long as the average stays by starting to know these words at the age of 12/13 I’m not as worried as in the case of starting to know these words at the age of 5.
I write fanfics as well and my level is about kisses and to adumbrate the beginning of sexual actions. I don’t write a lot fanfics in that style and they always get a high rating for young people not to read them if they don’t want. Plus I don’t write in english so not everybody can understand them.
And even IF I had perverted thoughts like some of these dirty stuff writers I would never spread them over the net. I simply like to read them sometimes since some of them are very good written and I don’t have the age anymore to be spoilt. Besides I like the cute stuff stories so much more (I’m happy everytime there is some cute SiHan or KyuMin story). There is no need to write dirty stories all the time since love is more than sex, don’t you agree?
Thank god I haven’t read that Kangteuk story you summarized at the beginning. I don’t want to read it either way. It already sounds too much to me…and I’m not the all-over shy person.
Comment by keirafan — May 25, 2009 @ 10:10 am
@sjff
haha… well Bush is off now and hopefully Obama does a better job.. heh.. xDD omg! 10 parents called?!?! I would love that in my school! Too bad the principal is too over-protective to let us know about these stuff (not like i’m interested but having 10 parents call the school! WOW!!) haha.. gay sex == is it really necessary? It’s teenage hormones people!!! seriously.. leave the gay people to themselves -_-ll…
haha.. after heechul bragging about his ex-girlfriend, he’ll go and brag about his dream girls.. xDD
Comment by h4CkSigN — May 26, 2009 @ 10:00 am
@keirafan: Hmm…Lemme guess you’re from The Netherlands!!:)
I learned what a “lap dance” was when I was 11. It was pretty awkward:[I remember freaking out in front of everyone and the guy who told me laughing his fat ass off haha:)
I don’t see the difference between an adult novelty and sexual Suju fanfic, seriously. Seems like some Suju fanfic fans are young teens who are too scared to go onto porn sites. And yes, I agree. Love is more than sex.
Hmm..I prefer Hyunwook though:) Just my 2 cents
Comment by sjff — May 27, 2009 @ 12:27 pm
@h4CkSigN: Hahaha I live in a very conservative part of the US. Everyone hates Obama here and it’s funny how they all love the FOX News and Good Ol’ Boy George. Teachers always talk about how abortion is the cruellest thing ever and immigration is hurting America’s future in front of immigrant kids. We even have this mandatory moment at the morning in school when we can pray and read bibles and stuff:) That’s why I’m moving to SoCal; sucks being the only progressive person at my school.
Heechul brag about his dream girls..haha:) “I truly felt the spark between us when Wonder Girls’ Sohee looked at me as if I were a weirdo when I wore that pink skinny jeans.” LMAO
Comment by sjff — May 27, 2009 @ 12:58 pm
I think you can really decide what you like more…since I like non-gay Henry and Ryeowook stories. Seriously, they are like mother and child, how can people only imagine them to…aaaah I simply can’t.
and I prefer Kyumin and Yewook. In this pairing way. Though I once read some nice Yekyuwook story…and it’s not as if I don’t like KyuWook.
Well the difference between adult novelty and sexual SuJu Fanfictions….is there one? Maybe there is the little difference that the main characters in the novelties are not real persons. But that’s all.
Comment by keirafan — May 29, 2009 @ 11:34 am
@keirafan: Gosh I love HenRyeo(non-gay!) too, but yeah, I think Henry would freak out if he read one of those gay stories about him and Ryeowook. They’re like brothers, or a mother and a child as you have described.
I’m personally fine with YeWook, but I for some reason am not an avid fan of KyuMin. I’ve got nothing against Kyu nor Sungmin. It’s just that Sungmin acts so heterosexual in real life that it’s kind of awkward reading about him being intimidate with guys. But that’s just me:)
Comment by sjff — May 29, 2009 @ 2:46 pm
hmm
I gotta agree with you
even though I’m EunHae/KangTeuk/KyuMin fan
and read fics too
I can’t deny that you have a very good point there
some fics are too hardcore, what makes the hardcore a hardcore is the *super* detailed description of the part that should only be done in private..
sometimes i feel anxious reading that kind of fics, and thinking of what might Super Junior feels if they read those hardcore fanfictions..and I can see that you are concern with the minors..
P.S.
I have nothing against Fic writers for I have friends who are fic writers too
Comment by eiashlee — May 30, 2009 @ 9:51 am
@eiashlee: Yeah, these days I don’t see a difference between hardcore fanfics and adult novelties. I have got nothing against fanfic writers either.
Comment by sjff — May 30, 2009 @ 10:31 am
I just found some overly stupid, impossible, bad written but NC-17 rated story…Well..KiHae…and it’s the most disgusting NC-17 thing I’ve every read.
Starring Kibum as and overly asshole and arrogant first year student in LAW…(yes law) and Donghae as some guy in a gay strip bar making Kibum being embarrassed at the end and turning out to be a law student in the 3rd year that is going to help out the class KiBum is in.
Really, I described that as gentle as possible. The smut in it is really unbelievable.
How can people imagine these things…really, cause I would never think of SuJu Members being the way they are decribed in these smut stories.
I really think the people who think this stuff…well okay, being perverted you can hide but…still I wouldn’ write that down. REALLY!!!
Waaa, I could really say all this stuff all over again.
And I willl I think. People don’t take SMUT serious.
Comment by keirafan — June 1, 2009 @ 4:34 pm
quote: There was this one very popular Super Junior KangTeuk fanfic(you guys all know what I’m talking about).Now I do not wish to bash on the author because her work was pretty great.She is a talented writer.
You talk about that and ramble on about this fiction, but where is this fiction in question? Nobody I know have read/came across it before.
stirring up trouble over nothing? lol.
Comment by kendy — June 3, 2009 @ 7:22 am
@keirafan: What kind of a law student works as a gay stripper? That’s retarded!:) There are little kids reading those kinds of stories!
Comment by sjff — June 3, 2009 @ 9:12 am
@kendy: Just because nobody YOU know has ever read that fiction before, doesn’t mean that it’s non-existent. Do you judge everything based on YOUR experience? Now who’s stirring up trouble over nothing? Sheesh.
Here’s a blog that lets you download the fiction I’m talking about. I seriously hope you can read Korean though:) http://blog.naver.com/momantae?Redirect=Log&logNo=30040420970 Here you go:) Happy reading!
Comment by sjff — June 3, 2009 @ 9:18 am
teukie had so many gf be4? zhen de ma?
i’m broken-hearted :(
T_T
Comment by kawaii creampuff — June 15, 2009 @ 8:51 am
@ kawaii creampuff: what do you expect? Teukie is a man like ever other and maaaaaaaaan, he has porn magazines in his room (yeah…they made a show in the SJ dorm and discovered it under his bed).
Comment by xKeirafanx — June 15, 2009 @ 10:51 am
@ xKeirafanx: really???what about donghae?is there any video about it in youtube?
Comment by puppylova — June 16, 2009 @ 5:39 am
@kawaii creampuff: Awwwww *hugs*. It’s okieee. Maybe so many pretty girls came chasing him and he couldn’t just pick one, I don’t know. *hugs again* Cheer up!:)
Comment by sjff — June 16, 2009 @ 3:41 pm
@xKeirafanx: Whoa:) ‘Kay, at least we know that’s his hormones are norm. Don’t like 99% of guys watch porns and read Playboy? Haha:)And I bet that 99% includes Siwon the religious one:D
Comment by sjff — June 16, 2009 @ 3:46 pm
OMG YESS I TOTALLY AGREE!!!
I have stumbled across a few SuJu fanfics and they were so awkward and disturbing and graphic that I hightailed straight outta there. o.0
Why can’t they make non-explicit fanfics? Then maybe I would read them…
I read one about YeWook, and now I can’t watch a variety show featuring the two of them without blushing~~
How I regret reading that fanfic… Scarred for life (haha jk but seriously why are fanfic writers so obscene? ^^).
Comment by Saabs — June 18, 2009 @ 1:21 pm
@ Saabs: I refuse to read Yewook fanfictions with NC-17 or R rating…that would be too much for me.
My most shock lasted from a KiHae fanfic…and normally there are so many fluff KiHae stories I read, how can people imagine these things? As if they know about gay sex so well (mostly grils write these stories). They only adapt what they read.
@ sjff: oh I believe Siwon is included…he has hormones like everyone
I mean, does he wear something like Jonas Brothers purety ring or declared he doesn’t want to have sex before he’s married? Not that I remember xDDD
Comment by xKeirafanx — June 18, 2009 @ 1:34 pm
After reading all that, all I have to say is…No one is forcing you to read it! Some people like/love NC17 fics while others don’t. Simply click the x button and you won’t be traumatized as some people are calling it.
Comment by uhuh — July 10, 2009 @ 3:14 pm
@uhuh: That’s like saying “if you don’t like my article, then don’t read it because no one is forcing you to read it!”
There’s a reason why they’re rated-R/NC-17. They’re for mature audiences, not 12-year-old fangirls.
Comment by sjff — July 11, 2009 @ 12:53 pm
Oh, does anyone know where I can find a translated version of “Killing Crazy”?
From all the talk I want to read it for myself and see what it is all about. xD
(I’m not a pervert! =P Just curious)
Or can someone give me a general idea of what EXACTLY it’s about?
Please and Thank You!
=D
Comment by Interested! — July 13, 2009 @ 7:48 pm
@Interested!: A pretty famous fanfic. Rumor has it that Kangin read it himself:)
I’ll see if I can find the translated version. Thanks for visiting.
Comment by sjff — July 15, 2009 @ 2:09 pm
@sjff: Ahh wow! I’m even more interested in it now! ^^
Must be REALLY good if there is even a rumor that Kangin read it.
Thank you very much for your help! =] Very appreciated!!
Comment by Interested! — July 15, 2009 @ 6:35 pm
@Interested!: Aww you’re welcome:) I don’t think I hardly ever did anything but still..:)
Comment by sjff — July 16, 2009 @ 2:56 pm
would you happen to know the name/s of the girl/s sungmin of suju dated? just curious…thanks in advance
Comment by joycie — August 4, 2009 @ 4:47 am
@joycie: I’m really sorry but I don’t:( I wish I did though, even though I don’t want to interfere too much with his personal life. In addition, since it seems like many of his exs are non-celebrities, it wouldn’t be fair for the non-celebrity girls to have someone finding out their personal information just because of their famous ex-boyfriend, would it? Again, I’m so sorry!:(
Comment by sjff — August 4, 2009 @ 2:37 pm
yah know. im a 12 yr old crazy fan of super juniors. and i admit. i tried to search fanfics of them. ok. i saw some fanfics that are really (yah know? what you said) so i stopped right there. coz. it ain’t for me..and i really dont like things like that. and i gotta admit.. it influenced me.. but dont take me the wrong way..coz all those things are under only in my mind.. i dont try asking my parents or even brothers about it..and i convey myself as an innocent little girl. so i believed this sarcasm fanfics be stopped. coz.. 12 yr old girls aren’t like always like me right..i pity them :(
Comment by eternallyou_rz — August 14, 2009 @ 6:51 am
@eternallyou_rz: I say there’s really nothing wrong with your feelings, but at least now I know for sure that those X-rated fanfics do influence young girls like this. Don’t worry; it’s a phase that you’ll get out of.
Comment by sjff — August 15, 2009 @ 1:39 pm
Like, whatever? You choose yourself if you wants to read things or not and I believe that it’s says quite clearly what it contents when you’re reading a fanfic. I don’t think it’s wrong writing things like that because it’s just based on dreams and fantasies. It’s even better than making those pornmovies were living girls or people are getting hurt and so on. But I do think, even if most poeple understand, that people should always write that it’s fanfiction and has nothing real in it. I can understand that some artists have difficulties and it could create missunderstandings for the fans and awkwardness between bandmembers.
You yourself decide what you will see fanservice as and I think that artists that does that can’t be totally against fans thoughts and wiew about them then. Because then I think they would at least hesitate to do that. I don’t think being gay is wrong either. I aint 100 % heterosexual and I do believe that most people are more or less attracted to both sides. If there are artists I like that goes out with being gay or bisexual I fully cheer on them. My opinon is also that if I like a man and found out he’s gay I would at least feel Happy for him and also happy for knowing one exact thing why he wasn’t attracted by me. It’s makes it easier than seeing him with some girl. Then I would only compare myself to her and wonder what she have that I lack. Then it’s better to not even be near. Back to the fanfics I do believe that if you feel like you’re too young for some fanfics or feeling too awkward, Hey! It’s internet. It’s not like someone makes you read them against your will?? I think the most people should be able to know by themselves what they can/want and can’t/do not want to read. And It’s just normal anyway that you’re curious about such things as school and love and so on. It’s sometimes just a phase.
But just remember to not bother the artists that the fanfics about with your fantasies and questions. Let them stay in the fanfic.
Also I wouls like to point out that boys and men are the same about lesbos like we girls are about gays so it’s not that taboo I think. I mean if you think how many times two girls appears in media and tv and so on in west it’s not that different too those fanfics. It’s just that boys/men like to see and we girls/women like to read instead.
That’s my opinion..
Comment by Dana_chan — August 17, 2009 @ 5:17 pm
One more thing.. There are many girls/women who wright that they’re not perverts and so on but curíous. Sooo… If you’re really curious it’s okey but if you just simply likes it so what? Are only boys/men allowed to be pervs?
Comment by Dana_chan — August 17, 2009 @ 5:22 pm
@Dana_chan: Um, okaaay?? Seriously, why are so many people ranting about this article? Sure, “don’t read it if you don’t like it.” That’s like saying, “if you don’t like my article, then don’t read it.” I’ve got nothing against those fanfics; it’s just that little girls go on there to read it and then start thinking that those scenes are real. As I’ve asked before, what’s really the difference between an X-rated SJ fanfic and an adult novelty?
You’re making it sound as if I’m overly conservative, sexist and homophobic. I’m sorry if I sounded like one, but that is not true.
Comment by sjff — August 17, 2009 @ 6:17 pm
Okay I understand that but you knooow,l think it´s few people who are childs like you say.. I have friends reading those and other things who are between 19-24.. So it´s a little insult that only 13-17 year olds reads this things
Comment by Dana_chan — August 19, 2009 @ 2:02 pm
@Dana_chan: Thanks for clarifying, made it whole lot easier to understand.:) I do know that there are mature audiences to those fanfics and I’ve got nothing against that. Sorry if I made it sound like only teenagers and children read those novels, that was not my intention.
Comment by sjff — August 19, 2009 @ 3:04 pm
I adore Super Junior cos they are an awesome bunch of guys.
From their singing, dancing and personalities;its all very genuine.
In the beginning, i stumbled across a fanfics about Yunjae (DBSK’s Yunho and Jaejoong)
I read it and there was soo much smut in there. I was scarred. But then i found some really cute fics and they werent that bad.
I like fanfics to an extent.
However, this does not mean i am dissing people’s likings. If you dont like smut, then dont read it. There are usually warnings.
I dont think they are gay. It is just fan service or plain friendship. Nothing more, nothing less.
They have spent lots of time together and probably love each other like family.
Whatever their likings are Super Junior FTW!! i love Kyumin
Comment by SuperJunior ftw — August 21, 2009 @ 11:43 pm
@Superjunior ftw: :] I don’t understand how Super Junior are supposed to be original when their songs sound like 300 other K-pop songs with bits of catchier lyrics added to it and their cheoreography looks exactly the same as DBSK’s, SS501’s, etc. Don’t get me wrong-I’m a big time SJ fan too.
However, I’m seriously tired of that “if you don’t like it, don’t read it” excuse. Let’s put it this way: if you don’t like my article, then don’t read it. Most commentors on this article defending smuts have used that excuse 65 times already. Can’t you defenders come up with something new?
How do you know that they’re not gay though? I’m not attacking your opinion, I’m just saying that there could be a non-hetereosexual member in SJ. As for me though, I could care less whether they were gay or not.
Thanks for reading anyways. Super Junior FTW!
Comment by sjff — August 22, 2009 @ 8:46 am
Well in my opinion, it IS very PERVY but that’s why Lemon/Lime scenes are publicated in an account which says that it’s indeed for ages of 14 and above, it’s a warning…
And if they choose to read it, it’s their own fault for doing so, you don’t blame authors, because they’re only sharing their imagination with others.
We could choose to listen or to ignore, cause really it’s not the author’s fault for spreading perv/mature fanfictions. But it’s the 13-16 years old’s fault for reading them..
In my fanfictions I write something like a warning to them as like…
Warning : Sexual acts, homosexuality, angst
Rate : PG-15/ NC-17/ R-18
I write those to all of my fanfictions and guess what? A lot of people still read them, mostly 20 year olds though (even though I’m like 15 and I don’t write smut ==a)
I don’t know if they’re lying and stuff, and I know the Suju/DBSK/BigBang/Shinee/SS501/etc may feel awkward reading them, but still a few of Suficts are really lovely…
I love reading and both writing it. If mature contents are your worries, you shouldn’t be!! Since mature contents is already put on warning in Suficts community such as miracle and jaeho_detox
Comment by train1332 — November 2, 2009 @ 3:22 am
@train1332: I don’t care who writes them. Adult fans who can handle them can read whatever hell they want to read, and I’m fine with that. I’m not a totalitarian or something. I think we need a stronger, more structured system to prevent younger girls from reading them. There’s a reason why porns and adult novelties are for mature audiences.
And in fact, the distorted display of homosexuality in the fanfics sometimes annoy me. I’m biromantic, and it would annoy the fuck out of me if someone sexually fantasized about me and my girlfriend. But again, that probably has something to do with me being asexual.
Comment by sjff — November 3, 2009 @ 2:04 pm
i totally agree with that. I am 14 and i do read fanfics, but whenever there are lemon or smut or watever you call ‘em scences. i just skip it. I don’t want or need to be reading that at 14. Another thing that people don’t get is that these guys are real people, not anime or cartoon characters. Right now there are alive and breathing, so its kinda wierd to be writting that stuff about them. I mean i like to read the fluffly stuff, i mean who doesn’t, they just make it so easy and CUTE! But seriously, 14 year olds shouldn’t be reading/writting sex scences of any kind on fanfiction.
Comment by Lizzi Brown — December 11, 2009 @ 8:06 pm